You've got to think of your whole family and sometimes you've got to make a hard decision. You have to know in your heart what it is. It's hard but when you know it's wrong or it's damaging other people in your family, you've just got to be brave and do the hard thing.

Interviewer: Would you have any advice for adoption workers who are working with families that are going through disruption?

Interviewee: That's such a broad thing because there are so many different reasons. I can't think of anything because they know their [indecipherable 56:18] better than I do.

I would say that families should work with somebody who is familiar with disruption, rather than our social worker who had never dealt with it before but was our social worker. Maybe, she wouldn't be the appropriate one to work with. Maybe, she should partner with somebody
The fact that some of them get disrupted probably doesn't even occur to the majority of people unless they know somebody to whom it's happened.

Good luck with your dissertation and your [indecipherable 1:04:30] degree. If your dissertation is made public, I'd love to see a copy of it and what comes out of it. I don't know if you are allowed to share it or not but once you defend it then I would be very interested.

Interviewer: I am allowed to share it. I am going to definitely share it with the people that I spoke with.

Interviewee: Thank you very much. I would be very interested in that. Thanks a lot. Again, I apologize for being difficult to reach. [laughs]

Interviewer: Thank you for your time. Thank you so much.

Interviewee: Feel free to reach out if you think of something else, or if you forgot something, or if we skipped over something, or if you need clarification because I was kind of rambling in a few places. I don't mind if you need a little bit of follow up. I'll try to be more available. Thanks a lot, you have a good evening.

Interviewer: Have a good evening too.